Dying to self and suffering, go hand-in-hand

I was  reminded this morning  of a post I wrote over of the Faith Defender’s forum a year ago and feel led to now post it here. There is some good discussion going on below it from other brothers and sisters.

You may be reading this and find yourself in need of a word of comfort right now.

Perhaps you have been severely hurt by your church as so many have been right now, or are going through some tough situations that make no sense at all and you feel like you are up against a wall..

Let me ask you a question.. Do you believe that God is in control of your life – down to the very last detail? Can you trust Him with your life? Are you prepared to trust Him when all is going wrong? Or is Romans 8:28, a scripture that you live by in all situations?

I trust that something in here will reach you to bless you  or comfort you, no matter where you are.  God’s mercy is both unmerited and available. Not because of you or me, but only because of the finished work of Jesus Christ dying on the cross at Calvary and for no other reason. As we live with Him, so too we will at times, suffer with Him and we are to count it all joy!

His ways and thoughts are not ours…

Isaiah 55:7-9

7 Let the wicked forsake his way,
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
Let him return to the LORD,
And He will have mercy on him;
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.
8 “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD.
9 “ For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Bless you

Dying to self and suffering, go hand-in-hand

What are the first thoughts that come to mind when you hear the word suffering?  Physical hardship? Mental hardship? Emotional hardship, Spiritual hardship? Or a combination of all 4?

The modern church does not believe in suffering at all. One church down the road from me has a regular newspaper and in it they have ‘testimonies’. The general flow is “Come to Jesus and He will give you a job/car/wife/riches/home etc.”  “Tithe with us and you will get back from the Lord a Thousand fold, or Come get your blessing”.   This modern psychobabble mixed with ‘christian’ type lingo is indescribable which more often than not causes an awful lot of suffering in the long-run across the world.

They attack people by saying they have no faith, that their problems are directly related to their lack of faith or they must have some secret sin going on for all this to be going on in their life. I have seen and heard firsthand such terrible things along this line and seen the devastation brought about by such untrue, callous, ungodly twisting of how God works and lives with us as we walk this Narrow path with Him. It is indeed narrow. Very narrow.

The word suffering can include any of the above 4 scenarios in any perfect combination at different times in our lives, as the Lord needs to use them.

Paul Washer says that the first thing God wants to do to you when you get saved, is kill you.

Hmmm. Sounds completely opposite to what I have been told or have always understood. Dying to self? – Never heard of it! Well you might  get to know a little bit more about it if you read a little further.

If we are truly children of God, we will be put on His Potter’s wheel whether we like it or not or want it or not. That’s guaranteed. Also, if we are children of God, we will want be open to anything and everything He has in store for us no matter what. He wants us to be so in Him, that we can,  and He will break us and shape us and grow us and then will continue to do this all the way through our lives with Him. He will form His Son’s likeness in us. This obviously will cause suffering. Dying is a painful thing. We want to hold onto ourselves so very much. He wants us to let go and trust Him for His every outcome in our lives, regardless of what we see in front of us right now. Or are we fair-weather Christians only?

If I can explain it like this: I see our lives as a big circle with many wedges making up the circle. Each wedge is a piece of ME that the Lord will ask me to give up. Some are not too bad, others not too pretty at all and some are utterly revolting. As He shows me the next wedge, I first have to and should want to, repent of whatever He is showing me, hand it over to Him in its entirety and allow Him to work in me and my life as He needs to.

As I hand it over and surrender it, HE fills that space and I no longer am the owner. That piece of me has died to self and He is Lord there. Eventually I will have none of me and all of Him. It does not matter how many wedges I have or how big and ugly the wedge is, or how long it takes me to get there, the main thing is that I am willing and obedient to surrender all the wedges to Him as He brings them to my attention.

This simple explanation I share above, should be going on every day all day quietly in the background as we learn to die more each day and walk more and more in Him

Once we understand that this is how God works, we can simply live in Him and let Him lead the way and bring whatever He wants into our lives and deal with it both with Him and in Him, which brings about a really true understanding of Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

If our lives went so smoothly, without a hitch, without a dark cloud, we would not even have any knowledge of having a need of God. He keeps us at times in a certain place where we are so broken and prostrate before Him until we really understand and know that we could not lift our heads or take another breath without Him giving it to us. He does this out of love. Our faith has to be and will be tested. Sometimes we have to walk forward blindly, having only His had and Name to cling to.

Our eternal state is so important to God. His love is very, very different to ours. He is looking to eternity in His love and will do anything to keep us in His vision and Him in ours.

Suffering is an absolutely necessary part of our walk.

I would like to leave you with the following Scripture:
James 1:2-4 (NKJV)
2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

I understand that some people may react against much of what I have written. If you perhaps do, then I humbly ask that you prayerfuly and honestly take it before the Lord and ask Him to show you the truth of this.

In the Love of Jesus

John 3:30
He must increase, but I must decrease.

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Still raving or wondering about the Shack? Then you need to read this

http://www.challies.com/media/The_Shack.pdf

If you go to the link above, you will find a thoroughly comprehensive, discerning booklet, which is both clear and succinct on why the Shack is to be cautioned against. Author Tim Challies, writes in such an easy manner and bases his arguments and warnings only on the Word of God and nothing more.

Perhaps you may have had doubts after reading it, or maybe you are one who doesn’t think that the Shack is heretical at all, and can’t see what all the fuss is about, then perhaps a read of this booklet will help you understand what and why it is not what you thought it to be, at first reading.

God calls us to be holy and walk in holiness before Him. We need to always seek after what He wants and says about anything we read, watch, discuss or get involved in. If we love Him, that desire will be paramount in our lives.

I really encourage you to take a read of this booklet, no matter what your stance on The Shack is.

In the Love of Jesus
Jessie

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Discipleship


This is a wonderful explanation of what Discipleship is all about. What we are taught by many churches today (my previous one included), pales so significantly compared to this below. This one will enrich your understanding and personal relationship with the Lord as to how He works with us and brings this miracle about in us, if we will only let Him.

I really encourage you to read it all and look up the scriptures as you go.

Be so richly blessed

The Philosophy of Discipleship
Oswald Chambers

Let no man think that sudden in a minute
All is accomplished and the work is done:—
Though with thine earliest dawn thou shouldst begin it
Scarce were it ended in thy setting sun.

Discipleship must always be a personal matter; we can never become disciples in crowds, or even in twos. It is so easy to talk about what “we” mean to do—“we” are going to do marvellous things, and it ends in none of us doing anything. The great element of discipleship is the personal one.

The disciples in the days of His flesh were in a relationship to our Lord which we cannot imagine; they had a unique relationship which no other men have had or will have. We may use the relationship of these men to Jesus as illustrative of those who are devoted to Him but not yet born from above John 3:3,7 or we may take them as pointing out lines of discipleship after the work of grace has been begun. Discipleship may be looked at from many aspects because it is not a dogma but a declaration. We are using discipleship in this study as an illustration of what happens after salvation. Salvation and discipleship are not one and the same thing. Whenever our Lord speaks of discipleship He prefaces what He says with an “IF.” “If any man come after Me . . .” Luke 9:23, Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34 Discipleship is based on devotion to Jesus Christ, not on adherence to a doctrine.

Potential Position by Grace
Then answered Peter and said unto Him, Lo, we have left all, and followed Thee; what then shall we have? ( Matthew 19:27 Luke 18:28 15:24 )

Potential means existing in possibility, not in reality. By regeneration in its twofold phase of salvation and sanctification we are potentially able to perform all the will of God. That does not mean we are doing it, it means that we can do it if we will because God has empowered us (see Philippians 2:12-13 ). A man in whom the grace of God has begun its work—the grace of God does not respect persons, so I mean any kind of man you can think of—is potentially in the sight of God as Christ: the possibility of being as Christ is there. Whenever the grace of God strikes a man’s consciousness and he begins to realise what he is in God’s sight, he becomes fanatical, if he is healthy. We have to make allowance in ourselves and others for “the swing of the pendulum,” which makes us go to the opposite extreme of what we were before. When once the grace of God has touched our hearts we see nothing but God, we do not see Him in relation to anything else, but only in relation to ourselves on the inside, and we forget to open the gate for gladness. (Acts 12:14) Fanaticism is the insane sign of a sane relationship to God in its initial working. The joy of the incoming grace of God always makes us fanatical. It is the potential position by grace, and God leaves us in that nursery of bliss just as long as He thinks fit, then He begins to take us on another step; we have to make that possible relationship actual. We have not only to be right with God inside, we have to be manifestly rightly related to God on the outside, and this brings us to the painful matter of discipline.

Practical Path in Grace
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones. ( Matthew 19:28 Luke 22:28-30 Matthew 10:38 )

To abandon all, to strip one’s self of all, in order to seek and follow Jesus Christ naked to Bethlehem, where He was born, naked to the hall where He was scourged, and naked to Calvary where He died on the cross, is so great a mystery that neither the thing, nor the knowledge of it, is given to any but through faith in the Son of God.
John Wesley

The practical path in grace is to make what is possible actual. That is where many of us hang back; we say, “No, I prefer the bliss and the delight of the simple, ignorant babyhood of ‘Bethlehem,’ I like to be carried in the arms of God; I do not want to transform that innocence into holy character.” The following in the steps of Jesus in discipleship is so great a mystery that few enter into it. When once the Face of the Lord Jesus Christ has broken through, all ecstasies and experiences dwindle in His presence, and the one dominant Leadership becomes more and more clear. We have seen Jesus as we never saw Him before, and the impulsion in us by the grace of God is that we must follow in His steps . (1 Peter 2:21) As in the life of Mary, the mother of our Lord, a sword pierced through her own soul (Luke 2:35) because of the Son of God, so the sword pierces our natural life as we sacrifice it to the will of God and thus make it spiritual. That is the first lesson in the practical path of grace. We go through bit by bit and realise that there are things Jesus says and the Holy Spirit applies to us, at which the natural cries out, “That is too hard.”

The Practice of Pain in Grace
And every one that hath left houses . . . for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold. ( Matthew 19:29 Mark 10:29-30 Luke 14:26-27 )

“If any man come to Me, and hate not . . . , he cannot be My disciple.” The word “hate” sounds harsh, and yet it is uttered by the most human of human beings because Jesus was Divine; there was never a human breast that beat with more tenderness than Jesus Christ’s. The word “hate” is used as a vehement protest against the pleas to which human nature is only too ready to give a hearing. If we judge our Lord by a standard of humanity that does not recognise God, we have to put a black mark against certain things He said. One such mark would come in connection with His words to His mother at Cana, “Woman, what have I to do with thee?” (John 2:4) Another would come in connection with John the Baptist; instead of Jesus going and taking His forerunner out of prison, He simply sends a message to him through his disciples— “Go your way, and tell John. . . . And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in Me.” (Luke 7:22-23) But if we could picture the look of our Lord when He spoke the words, it would make a great difference to the interpretation. There was no being on earth with more tenderness than the Lord Jesus, no one who understood the love of a mother as He did, and if we read this into His attitude towards His mother and towards John we shall find the element of pain to which He continually alludes, that is, we have to do things that hurt the best relationships in life without any explanation. If we make our Lord’s words the reply of a callous nature, we credit Him with the spirit of the devil; but interpret them in the light of what Jesus says about discipleship, and we shall see that we must sacrifice the natural in order to transform it into the spiritual. All through our Lord’s teaching that comes—“If you are going to be My disciple, you must barter the natural.” Our Lord is not talking about sin, but about the natural life which is neither moral nor immoral; we make it moral or immoral. Over and over again we come to the practice of pain in grace, and it is the only explanation of the many difficult things Jesus said which make people rebel, or else say that He did not say them.

Have we begun to walk the practical path in grace? Do we know anything about the practice of pain? Watch what the Bible has to say about suffering, and you will find the great characteristic of the life of a child of God is the power to suffer, and through that suffering the natural is transformed into the spiritual. The thing we kick against most is the question of pain and suffering. We have naturally the idea that if we are happy and peaceful we are all right. “I came not to send peace, but a sword,” (Matthew 10:34) said our Lord—a striking utterance from the Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6) Happiness is not a sign that we are right with God; happiness is a sign of satisfaction, that is all, and the majority of us can be satisfied on too low a level. Jesus Christ disturbs every kind of satisfaction that is less than delight in God. Every strand of sentimental satisfaction is an indication of how much farther we have to go before we understand the life of God, it is the satisfaction of a smug self-interest which God by circumstances and pain shocks out of us as we go in the discipline of life.

Protest of Power through Grace
. . . ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones. ( Matthew 19:28 Luke 22:28-30 )

Physical power is nothing before moral power. A frail simple girl can overcome a brute who has the strength of an ox by moral superiority. Think of our Lord’s life. The New Testament does not refer to the scene in the Garden as a miracle— “when therefore He said unto them, I am He, they went backward, and fell to the ground” (John 18:6)—it was the inevitable protest of power of a pure holy Being facing unholy men from whom all power went. The wonder is not that Jesus showed His marvellous power, but that He did not show it. He continually covered it up.

Oh! wonderful the wonders left undone!—
And scarce less wonderful than those He wrought!
Oh, self-restraint, passing all human thought,
To have all power and be—as having none!

The great marvel of Jesus was that He was voluntarily weak. “He was crucified through weakness,” and, says Paul, “we also are weak in Him.” (2 Corinthians 13:4) Any coward amongst us can hit back when hit, but it takes an exceedingly strong nature not to hit back. Jesus Christ never did. “Who, when He was reviled, reviled not again; when He suffered, He threatened not”(1 Peter 2:23) ; and if we are going to follow His example we shall find that all His teaching leads along that line. But ultimately, at the final wind-up of His great purpose, those who have followed His steps reign with Him (Luke 22:28-30, Matthew 19:28) . Those who reign with Him are not the sanctified in possibility, in ecstasy, but those who have gone through actually. Equal duties, not equal rights, is the keynote of the spiritual world; equal rights is the clamour of the natural world. The protest of power through grace, if we are following Jesus, is that we no longer insist on our rights, we see that we fulfill our duty.

That is the philosophy of a poor, perfect, pure discipleship. Remember, these are not conditions of salvation, but of discipleship. Those of us who have entered into a conscious experience of the salvation of Jesus by the grace of God, whose whole inner life is drawn towards God, have the privilege of being disciples, if we will. The Bible never refers to degrees of salvation, but there are degrees of it in actual experience. The spiritual privileges and opportunities of all disciples are equal; it has nothing to do with education or natural ability. “One is your Master, even Christ.” (Matthew 23:8 ) We have no business to bring in that abomination of the lower regions that makes us think too little of ourselves; to think too little of ourselves is simply the obverse side of conceit. If I am a disciple of Jesus, He is my Master, I am looking to Him, and the thought of self never enters. So crush on the threshold of your mind any of those lame, limping “oh I can’ts, you see I am not gifted.” The great stumbling block in the way of some people being simple disciples is that they are gifted, so gifted that they won’t trust God. So clear away all those things from the thought of discipleship; we all have absolutely equal privileges, and there is no limit to what God can do in and through us.

Jesus Christ never allows anywhere any room for the disciple to say, “Now, Lord, I am going to serve Thee.” It never once comes into His outlook on discipleship that the disciple works for Him. He said, “As the Father hath sent Me, even so send I you” (John 20:21) How did the Father send Jesus? To do His will. How does Jesus send His disciples? To do His will. “Ye shall be My witnesses” (Acts 1:8 )—a satisfaction to Me wherever you are placed. Our Lord’s conception of discipleship is not that we work for God, but that God works through us; He uses us as He likes; He allots our work where He chooses, and we learn obedience as our Master did ( Hebrews 5:8 ).

The one test of a teacher sent from God is that those who listen see and know Jesus Christ better than ever they did. If you are a teacher sent from God your worth in God’s sight is estimated by the way you enable people to see Jesus. How are you going to tell whether I am a teacher sent from God or not? You can tell it in no other way than this—that you know Jesus Christ better than ever you did. If a teacher fascinates with his doctrine, his teaching never came from God. The teacher sent from God is the one who clears the way to Jesus and keeps it clear; souls forget altogether about him because the vision of Jesus is the only abiding result. When people are attracted to Jesus Christ through you, see always that you stay on God all the time, and their hearts and affections will never stop at you. The enervation that has crippled many a church, many a Sunday School class and Bible class, is that the pastor or teacher has won people to himself, and the result when they leave is enervating sentimentality. The true man or woman of God never leaves that behind, every remembrance of them makes you want to serve God all the more. So beware of stealing the hearts of the people of God in your mind. (2 Samuel 15:6) If once you get the thought, “It is my winsome way of putting it, my presentation of the truth that attracts”—the only name for that is the ugly name of thief, stealing the hearts of the sheep of God who do not know why they stop at you. Keep the mind stayed on God, and I defy anyone’s heart to stop at you, it will always go on to God. The peril comes when we forget that our duty is to present Jesus Christ and never get in the way in thought. The practical certainty that we are not in the way is that we can talk about ourselves; if we are in the way, self-consciousness keeps us from referring to ourselves. The Apostle Paul looked upon himself as an exhibition of what Jesus Christ could do, consequently he continually refers to himself—“And though I am the foremost of sinners, I obtained mercy, for the purpose of furnishing Christ Jesus with a supreme proof of His utter patience, a typical illustration of it for all who were to believe in Him and gain eternal life” ( 1 Timothy 1:15-16 moffatt -

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The fool has said in his heart, that there is no God

Deuteronomy 4:39
Therefore know this day, and consider it in your heart, that the LORD Himself is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other.

Psalm 14

–To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.

1 The fool has said in his heart,
There is no God.”
They are corrupt,
They have done abominable works,
There is none who does good.

2 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men,
To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.
3 They have all turned aside,
They have together become corrupt;
There is none who does good,
No, not one.

Over at In The Days, they have an article by Fox News regarding a new advertising campaign which is being run by The American Humanist Association for the holiday season in DC area. It says “Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness’ sake,”

“Edwords said the purpose isn’t to argue that God doesn’t exist or change minds about a deity, although “we are trying to plant a seed of rational thought and critical thinking and questioning in people’s minds.””

The group defines humanism as “a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism, affirms our responsibility to lead ethical lives of value to self and humanity.”

“Last month, the British Humanist Association caused a ruckus announcing a similar campaign on London buses with the message: “There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”

Humanism is one of the deadly ‘gospels’ that is gaining such approval worldwide. It puts mans needs and wants over that of their Creator, Almighty Saviour and Lord. It says “We will do it our own way – we know what’s best for ourselves, we don’t need any approval from You or need to take heed at what you require from us”.

The purpose driven agenda has done much to promote this in such a subtle, appealing way, that if you don’t know what the Bible teaches you could be easily misled by all the ‘feel good about doing lots of good ‘stuff – many have already gone this way. There is so much available to anyone who wishes to discern what is going on to be aware and on guard against all this and other heresy. Our greatest protection from heresy is the Holy Spirit Himself. Ask Him to show you.

Look at what David says about his goodness, and this is the man that the Lord said, was after His own heart. Where’s your heart this morning?

Psalm 16

1 Preserve me, O God, for in You I put my trust.

2 O my soul, you have said to the LORD,
“You are my Lord,
My goodness is nothing apart from You.”
3 As for the saints who are on the earth,
“They are the excellent ones, in whom is all my delight.”

4 Their sorrows shall be multiplied who hasten after another god;
Their drink offerings of blood I will not offer,
Nor take up their names on my lips.

5 O LORD, You are the portion of my inheritance and my cup;
You maintain my lot.
6 The lines have fallen to me in pleasant places;
Yes, I have a good inheritance.

7 I will bless the LORD who has given me counsel;
My heart also instructs me in the night seasons.
8 I have set the LORD always before me;
Because He is at my right hand I shall not be moved.

9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices;
My flesh also will rest in hope.
10 For You will not leave my soul in Sheol,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
11 You will show me the path of life;
In Your presence is fullness of joy;
At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore.

And lastly, even the demons know God exists and tremble…

James 2:19

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

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A Spiritual Checkup

Understand The Times
Radio Commentary
by Roger Oakland

www.understandthetimes.org

A SPIRITUAL CHECKUP

Everyone knows it’s wise to have regular medical checkups in order to monitor our physical health. But what about spiritual well-being? Have you taken the time lately to examine yourself? Are you willing to deal with those areas of your life that need to change?

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Since becoming a Christian, I know my lifestyle has drastically changed. Most believers who have experienced dramatic conversions certainly will be able to relate. One day we were on a wide pathway headed to a lost eternity. Then suddenly we were confronted with the fact that Jesus Christ is our Redeemer, our Creator and our best friend. From that moment on our lives were transformed.

Recalling the original honeymoon relationship we had with the Lord brings back many fond memories. However time has a way of changing our world, and our relationship with God. Because we live in a fallen world, Satan does everything he can do to make us ineffective. He cannot rob us of our salvation but he certainly can influence our minds and stimulate our flesh. Although we may convince ourselves we are walking with God, those around us will not so easily be deceived. When we say one thing and then do another, our testimony is nullified and we become a hindrance to the kingdom of God.

The Bible states that the Christian life is comparable to a race. Although we can start out strong, it’s how we finish that counts. It is my greatest desire to be able to finish the race stronger than when I started. We should long to hear our Father in Heaven say when our life here on earth is all over “well done you good and faithful servant”.

It is important then, to take an inventory from time to time in order to give ourselves a spiritual checkup. Has sin crept back into my life? Is my attitude or behavior wrong? Is my testimony consistent? Identifying what is wrong and then willfully making the choice to change is very important if we are going to be effective Christians.

According to the Bible, all that I do, say and think is known to the Lord. He is aware of everything about me including the number of hairs upon my head. Knowing that my God, the Creator of the universe is mindful of me and what I am doing, should cause me to consider Him in every choice or decision that I make.

I have found that it is important to examine myself daily with the following questions in mind. What impact will my actions have on eternity? Are my activities designed to serve others or am I more concerned about myself? If Jesus were physically standing beside me, would He be pleased about what I am doing? If I am doing or saying things that would be offensive then I better make a change.

I hope this program has caused you to think. I know as I was putting it together I sensed God speaking to my own heart. Let’s give ourselves a spiritual checkup on a daily basis. It’s important that we live our lives completely dedicated to Him. Anything less is not good enough.

I am Roger Oakland. This has been a biblical perspective to help understand the times.

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